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"Cool" being a sniper? And visiting SC?:
i just wanted to say that snipers still dont get the
respect they need .if u look back who was it that killed all the mofrackers
in history it was snipers not some crazy m-60 holding SOB that shoots at
every thing that looks like it would move no its the guys that wait for
days till they might see silver on the shoulder of a man to destroy him
now who is better here.i know i may only be 17 but i have been shooting
and learning about snipers since i was 12 and hell maybe not enough years
to compete with some of you with ur .308's but i can track'em like hell
nashville, TN USA - Friday, November 27, 1998 at 16:01:31 (EST)
At Ease there Miller! ;-)
Those guys on the M60's have a job and do it well. Even if they
hit less per round they save a lot of infantry butt in the process. Nothing
like shear volume for fire suppression. While a sniper might strike fear
into the heart of enemy, the machine gunner is the guy who has to face
the horde and if deployed properly, he controls the battlefield. Right
behind artillery. And air cover. And straight legs who have to hold it.
The point is no one is "more" special than the other. Each specialized
in a given trade and each may feel he is particularly HOT due to his specialized
training, but they are all part of a greater whole. One is not "cooler"
than the other. Just different. I know you are young so I will add this:
War ain't cool. A troop may enjoy his training and be damn good at what
he does. He may even like his job and be gung-ho as heck at it. But it
ain't "cool". He may even say "cool!" when he pops the head off of an officer
at 400 yards, but the next day he may be sleeping in shit while a world
of 155mm hurt is hurling down on his skinny little noggin. The sniper is
just another troop with special training. He is not "better" than a machine
gunner or Arty maggot. He is just a different extention of the mission
of success. I grew up reading the same books you have. I probably felt
the same way when I was 17. But since then I have gotten some perspective.
ALL the troops are important. Even those chucklehead REMFs who just happen
to keep us fed.
Something to think about; Think of the German machine gunner in Normandy
circa June 15, 1944. Our troops feared the german sniper but they died
enmasse from the German machine gunner. Who stopped us in the bocage most
often? The machine gunner. Who held up our advance toward St. Lo? The machine
gunner. Who scared the piss out of the average troop every time he cut
loose with 1200 rpms from his MG-42?
Not to bust on you (the exhuberance of youth has its place!) but
I know too many young guys who think in terms like those you expressed.
Sniping is not about being better than your fellow troops. It is about
doing your job well to help your fellow troops.
USA - Friday, November 27, 1998 at 16:42:38 (EST)
Mister younger than 18 and not even supposed to be here Miller.
With an attitude like this I doubt if you have the patience do do the job
of a sniper. My first MOS in the Marines was that of 0331, Machine-gunner.
Different weapon, different mission. When the shit hits the fan, the grunts
love that machine-gun. We are one big team man.
USA - Friday, November 27, 1998 at 17:26:38 (EST)
Master Miller: Before you can contemplate being an exceptional shooter,
you have to learn how to pay attention and learn to follow instructions.
Pay attention to your English teacher in school, so you learn proper spelling,
punctuate correctly, and use capitals letters when they are appropriate.
Next learn to follow instructions, which you obviously did not. If you
would have read the introduction to Sniper Country it does specifically
state that you must be 18 years of age. And what the hell are "mofrackers".
We can only imagine? Are you one of those misfits who wear their pants
at half mast and do your parents know where you are at this time?
Al Ostapowicz <email@example.com>
A little disturbed in the Grand Republic of , Ohio USA - Friday, November
27, 1998 at 19:55:49 (EST)
I am a thirteen year old shooter. I am interested in being a sniper
when I get older. I guess I'm a pretty good shot, I can do a tw>>
from 100 yards. I own a .243 and help my dad reload bullets. I clean the
pirmer pockets and have made my own set of match bullets before. I guess
that all my teachers would think I was wierd if I said that I wanted to
be a sniper but that's what I want to do. I enjoy reading a lot of things
about snipers and I own the movie Sniper which I watch about nine million
times a day. If you have any interesting information please E-mail it to
Big Sniper <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Ninety Six, SC USA - Thursday, January 07, 1999 at 18:59:50 (EST)
Well Big Sniper; Your probably going to get a lecture from one of
the board members that operate this site about the fact that you seem to
have ignored the warning about being 18 years of age to enter here. Now
that is none of my business since I'm not involved in the management of
the site and quite honestly I don't like it all that it is politically
incorrect for an Old Geezer like me to encourage you in something that
might result in your taking someone's life with a rifle. I find it commendable
that you and your dad are involved in shooting and are interested in the
art of making a bullet go where you want it too. There are many misguided
kids in this country that are trying to do the same thing for the purpose
of conducting gang warfare and I trust that is not your case. Your are
quite correct to assume that your teachers will think it unusual to the
point you would probably be recommended for counseling should you let it
be known that you watch "Sniper" over and over. Now my friend I want you
to know that I do not. But you do realize that society is not made up of
folk like me. One of the best traits of a Sniper is that he is a bit on
the Covert (secret) side about what he does and he doesn't brag it around.
Sniping involves a lot of things that Hollywood doesn't tell you. I'm not
going to lecture you but your interest may change when you find out the
whole truth. It is really quite boring most of the time and very uncomfortable
all tesn'ime followed by a period of shear terror after the shot. Did it
go right? Will I be discovered and wiped out? Will I be prosecuted? Did
I kill the hostage? You may be called upon to risk your life and most likely
will never receive as much as a thank you. Remember the Mission impossible
thing? If you get caught they don't know you! If your in Law Enforcement
and you make a mistake they don't know you either!
The moral here my friend is "Be careful what you wish for...Cause
you might get it." On the other hand enjoy your rifle and stay close to
your dad! This is the best time of your life. Keep on shooting and learning
and if it is a Sniper you be you will know it! A real good Sniper would
not have MISSED that thing about being 18 years old though! Good Luck and
what ever you do! Do it with honor and commitment to Freedom and right
and you will be successful and happy.
IF things get too heavy though mail us off line and we'll try to
USA - Thursday, January 07, 1999 at 21:48:15 (EST)
Big Sniper, AKA (under 18 years old)
There's a article here at Sniper Country just for you.
Click onto (ARTICLES AND COMMENTARY)
Then click on (COMMENTARY)
Now click on (SO YOU WANT TO BE A SNIPER)
It's not going to taste too good, but it's what you're looking for.
And for God's sake, stay in school!!!
D. West <email@example.com>
Oh, so cold here, in IL. USA - Thursday, January 07, 1999 at 22:10:29
I recently read a post from a thirteen year-old boy who says that
he wants to be sniper and one of the replies that he got from B. Rogers
was pretty cool, instead of harassing him about not paying attention to
the 18 years old thing he encouraged him to stay with his rifle and his
dad. I think that you should reconsider being a sniper. Always have somethiing
to fall back on. I'm not saying don't become a sniper, just think about
the labor that goes into it. I myself am 20 years old and I am in the National
Guard. There was a lot of hell to go through. I would like to become a
sniper, but I know a hell of a lot about guns and reloading. I know a bit
about uncomfortable waiting, if you consider waiting for seven hours in
26 degrees weather for a deer to show himself TRUE waiting. I own a few
quality rifles and I also own a .243 Rifle. I "named" is Stainless Painless.
Their is an art to shooting and not anyone can do it. Not too long ago
I was right where you are. I was 17 and wondering if i should go into the
National Guard. I decided to do it and now I am proud of myself and I encourage
you to be a sniper, but don't do it so you can kill someone do it so you
can save someone. The fact that you watch Sniper over and over is kind
of unsettling. Real sniping is nothing like that. I am not a sniper myself
but I would like to be. I know that if you get caught then your finger
will not be merely twisted off, but your entire head will be twisted off.
And sleeping in a nasty swamp won't help you live any longer. I hope that
you think about what I have just written.
J.K. Crawford <firstname.lastname@example.org>
USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 00:14:24 (EST)
I just sent an email to "Big Sniper", and then thought I'd betterpost
the mail here, so other kids of like mind can also benefit from it.
I only saw your post on the Sniper Country Duty Roster just now.
I do not live in the United States, but the site does reside there. And,
as far as I can understand, the sort of information on this site is not
supposed to be for people of your age. If you showed sense I most probably
would not even have bothered mailing you, but I am afraid you didn't show
such in your post to the Duty Roster.
Watching the movie "Sniper" so often? Not that I believe 9 million
times a day, more like once a week maybe. Even then - WHY? Do you know
what it is to kill? Not to kill like a normal soldier in war would - firing
at the enemy and hoping to kill some, but searching out ONE SPECIFIC TARGET,
and WATCHING THAT PERSON DIE?!? I doubt it!! It is not good, not good at
all. IT IS UGLY, VERY UGLY, and you have to live with yourself for the
rest of your life with that thought, seeing that face. Did he/she have
a spouse? Children? Was there some loved one somewhere? Now waiting for
him/her never to return?
I suggest you go away from Sniper Country, and only return when you
have come to your senses, but only after you've read the following article
on the site:
An SC Article
Seriously, you need to get your priorities right, or you're going
to cause your parents great grief.
Marius Ferreira <email@example.com>
RSA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 16:09:32 (EST)
To that youngster that wants to be a sniper at 13. Perhaps your
father has an opinion on that. I can't beleive how smart my old man got
once I was old enough to realize it. If you don't think taking another
person's life has some ramifications, if you have no problem with this,
talk to someone about it. Your father, mother, an uncle...
Best of luck, and whatever you do, be the best at it.
Hey, didn't Tom Berenger's character say " The only one that counts
is the first one." ? Be sure you know what he meant.
Jim Liles <firstname.lastname@example.org>
PDX, OR USA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 20:32:35 (EST)
To the Big Sniper:
Listen to the people who are or were snipers, not who acted as one
, played make believe on some movie. Sure it seems real and fantastic,
but being a sniper is 99.9% mental, and the movies don't show that. They
show spectacular shots and kills, and man wouldn't it be cool to do that.
But the movies don't show the aftermath, not of the victim or his family,
but of the soldier himself. Twenty years after his tour in Vietnam, I was
14 years old, was the first time my father spoke to me of what had happened
over there. He slept about 2-3 hours a night if he was lucky, and even
then it was like he had never left the war, and that is because the war
never leaves you, you never forget. There is NO way to prepare for that
experience that no one would wish upon anyone else. The movies will never
tell the story that a true sniper can, they will never see it thru their
eyes, and never believe that they will.
rapid city, sd USA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 23:11:51 (EST)
I'm new to this duty roster thingy so bear with me. What's nagging
at me is this business about Big Sniper. I have to agree on the age thing.
But please, all i ask is that you cut the kid some slack. Everybody's got
to have a dream. About the movie: i think you should've busted on the writer/director
or whatever of the movie before busting on the Big Sniper. I mean, the
kid can't help it that some bozo totally screws up the whole subject of
sniping. That's what you guys and his dad are here for. To help him through
all that. To set him straight. (When he turns 18 of course). Yeah, i know
it's a young age to be considering stuff like that. But kids literally
absorb stuff. Now would be the perfect chance to keep him in line about
what it's all really about. If he changes his mind, fine. More power to
him. If he doesn't, then maybe you guys can help make him a fine fellow
Other than that, i really admire the communication you guys have
here. It's like one big happy family. Kinda makes ya feel a warm and fuzzy
USA - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 01:48:18 (EST)
Oh I forgot to post earlier, those that have a fascination with
any conceivable glory involved with taking a life, spend a week watching
"Life in the ER" on cable, run with a ambulance crew some weekend, or peruse
a text like "Gunshot Wounds".
That should be enough to switch thoughts back to paper or metal
DAZED n CONFUSED IN, bY-gAWd USA - Wednesday, January 13, 1999 at 12:42:41
I am also a kid, don't think that I am Big Sniper because I don't
want everyone getting mad at him. I also like shooting. I am a tomboy as
you would call it. I was wondering what you would do if we didn't stay
off the site. What are you going to do arrest us? What gives you the right
to tell us what to do? I AM NOT BIG SNIPER SO DO NOT THINK THAT!
Big Sniper II <email@example.com>
USA - Wednesday, January 13, 1999 at 15:56:36 (EST)
Big SniperII (Cheerleader69) read my post at 12:42 hrs TODAY,
We don't need adolescent challenges. Most of us have kids and want
them protected from danger and irresponsible actions.
I was a kid once, believe it or not, and when I went with my dad
to get ammo for formal shooting matches, reloading components etc. etc
All those "fat old boys" hanging at the gunstore used to give me a hard
I usually left feeling angry and humiliated, but I know for a fact
and proved their mouths could not match their skill, (or mine) on more
than one occassion. I practiced as often as my allowance and fathers generousity
By all means shoot and shoot often, with your parents supervision,
Maturity is shown by actions not words, if you have not picked up
on that from this wonderful web site, STAFFERS, and the Duty Roster regulars.
TUPPERWARE CITH AHHHHHHHHHHH, bY-gAWD USA - Wednesday, January 13,
1999 at 17:18:36 (EST)
Lil sniper girl. Good attitude, bad judgment. THis isnt the place
Elk Garden , WV USA - Wednesday, January 13, 1999 at 17:34:30 (EST)
RE: Young'uns amongst us....
I agree with the policy of "18 or older" for liability concerns,
but even that is not a guarantee that some older psychotic will not come
in and gather information.
Big Sniper I and II both seem to be innocent enough on the surface,
but in light of recent attacks at schools in Arkansas, Oregon, and Kentucky,
we all need to be cautious.
An unfortunate truth to the Internet and web sites is that anyone
can access them, unless some sort of Age Verification System is used. I
have only seen those AVSs used on "Adult Entertainment" sites, to keep
the kiddies from seeing porno.
The other side of the coin is that youngsters represent both the
future of the shooting sports and the future of politics. (I know: the
collective GROAN starts now) We cannot afford to alienate youngsters. Instead
of jumping down their throats, maybe we can do something more civil and
recommend that they participate in the NRAs Junior Shooter programs. I
think that we would all agree that we would like kids to shoot, but we
want to keep their interests in areas that are less involved in the "social
work" of the business.
Bruce Braxton <firstname.lastname@example.org>
College Park P.D., GA USA - Thursday, January 14, 1999 at 08:16:35
The incident that happened to you is a perfect example of why they
dont want kids on this sight. If you or someone else made the comment doesn't
matter. The comment on Gooch only goes to prove that there isn't the maturity
there to handle many of the topics discussed on this sight and your comment
about "what are you going to do arrest me" shows that maybe you also need
more maturing. I think its great that you are interested in shooting but
stay with the other shooting sports for now and wait until you older to
visit us. I hope you will understand and continue to develop not only your
shooting skills but in maturity as well as Bruce said you are our future.
USA - Thursday, January 14, 1999 at 09:31:16 (EST)
Warning: This is not a technical post! Well, maybe a little. First,
it seems to me that the rub between all the old, grizzled snipers here
and the young kids is motivated by perspective. The kids are curious, so
they visit sites like this one but they are also undeveloped and pretty
cocky. They are ultra-sensitive to perceived disrespect. Remember all the
fist fights we used to get into in the school hallways? I can remember
having a similar attitude. These kids have accomplished nothing and they
are dying for some validation Then there's us who've served a lot of time
in the field and in tough positions of responsibility. Some of us take
it personally when we feel that our credibility is being called into question.
I know I do. These kids do not have the mental and emotional equipage to
fully comprehend the gravity of some of our accomplishments. If they want
to call us names on the internet, so what? They wouldn't do it to our faces
more than once. We all know this deep down inside. I say remove the posts
because they do not further the purpose of this forum. Its like keeping
spent primers on your garage floor. They're worthless and you get rid of
them. Freedom of Speech? This website is privately owned. Some of these
kids will go on to do what we have done, in some cases more, and they will
assume our positions and prejudices as the new crop of young smart asses
Paul J. Headlee <the
wife's got the computer at college>
Ogden, KS USA - Friday, January 15, 1999 at 01:37:04 (EST)
Relevancy again maybe but I just saw where the City of New Orleans
sued every gun maker in sight for building these dangerous things called
guns. So Kids... I hope you can understand why we can't do a lot of exchanges
about things the law says you can't own till your 18! I know we have a
1st ammendment and all that but it is about as bonafide as the second ammendment
these days. I wonder why in the heck they would put up with the likes of
us anyway! Some of these birds are so elite they won't even talk to each
other you shouldn't find it that strange! I hear the tape store has sniper
on special for a dollar today!
USA - Friday, January 15, 1999 at 05:07:40 (EST)
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