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Spotting Scopes - Angle of eyepiece:

He has a choice of this one or a 45 degree eyepiece at equiv. price. My recommendation is for the straight through at least for ease of aiming. Any quibbling?


Terry Warner <>
Canada - Saturday, October 31, 1998 at 21:06:14 (EST) 

>My recommendation is for the straight through at least for ease of aiming. Any quibbling?

Not any quibbling.

I would like to add an aside. Potential purchasers need to keep eye relief in mind. Many of the inexpensive and expensive scopes have virtually no eye relief; the eye ball is set right against the ocular to get a full view. If you are wearing glasses for protection or optical needs you only get a teeny field of view. Not what you want.

My very first scope was a Bausch and Lomb Discoverer back in the late 1970's. With 15 to 60 power I had everything covered; even had a Nikon adapter. All this was very expensive and it turned out to be a very poor choice for shooting (or photography). Not enough eye relief. Also, I found that using any power above 25X gave a lot of "blue fringing". Images were not sharp, but had a bluish tinge all around them. This comes from a prism effect to where all the colors do not focus on the same plane. I eliminated most of this by purchasing a large 72 millimeter (I think) yellow scope filter. More money! Large high quality filters are very expensive. This filtered out most of the blues of the spectrum. and gave me a usable scope for target only use.

With the camera mounted on a heavy tripod pictures suffered from atmospheric distortion (mirage).

I did understand that the optical phenomenon is normal with non-mirror type lens and it was not a defective scope. It was my own fault for buying it. Education is expensive. Anyhow, a local smallbore shooter at my range wanted it badly and traded his Unertl 20X straight for it. Eventually, I also purchased a Kowa 77mm with extended eye relief. Now I'm spoiled. Plenty of eye relief.

Ron N. <>
USA - Sunday, November 01, 1998 at 11:22:33 (EST) 

To Terry: Straight vs angled eyepieces
IF it is quibbling that you want then it is quibbling ye shall have.
For target shooting. the angled eyepiece is the best choice. The reason for this is that to do really good shooting you must find your natural point of aim body position to the target. This takes a little time and effort to do it right. Once the postition is found, then you have to setup the scope to match your postion. The angled eyepiece allows you to look at the target without disturbing your natural point of aim too much. Of course, once you setup the scope you loose the NPA again and this must be done all over again, back and forth and so on. Rick also mentioned in an earlier post that the angled eyepiece has certain advantages in that it may allow one to view the target while under cover, or around corners. For hunting, I think the straight eyepiece is the best.

Steve <>
S.C.D.H., Ohio USA - Sunday, November 01, 1998 at 12:26:56 (EST) 

Ron N. - you were discussing the usefullness of a long eye relief (LER) eyepiece. The Kowa LER eyepiece is a fixed power 25x. I realize weather conditions like mirage will affect this, but roughly how far away can I reliably see my hits with a 25x eyepiece? The range I have access to is 500 - 600 yards but I am hoping to do some shooting at ranges out to a 1000 yards someday.

Jack McC.
Jack McC. <>
Lawrenceville, GA USA - Monday, November 02, 1998 at 14:04:51 (EST) 

Jack McC: I see that many may have answered your question on the Kowas. For what it is worth, the Kowa TS-611 is a great scope for the money. BUT if you plan on using it exclusively for civilian tactical type shooting you will want to get this scope with a straight through eyepiece design as opposed to a 45 degree eyepiece. This will make spotting for your partner a lot easier. The 45 is great for High power but can be a real drag elsewhere. Example, if you can not find a tripod that suits you, the straight scope works well on you buttpack or ruck. A 45 will have you craning about to find a position. Also, check out the 25x LER. It is a good feature as you can back off a bit when conditions stop you from getting a good eye relief. Like the old time Unertl and Bausch and Lomb scope, the TS-611 has an integral sunshade. 25x is fine for spotting trace and impacts all the out to 1000 depending on what you are hitting. You will not see the bullet hole of course, but the trace and if you are lucky, impact, will be more than enough to judge a wind call. More power is not generally not needed for this type of shooting.

scott <xxxx>
USA - Tuesday, November 03, 1998 at 14:25:54 (EST) 

Scott, Scott, Scott - Why would I want a straight scope lens when I can have a 45 degree and set it right next to my shooter and lay comfortably off to one side instead of on him? The 45 degree allows for observering while you are under cover, ie around window edges, sides of buildings etc. Been using them for years and they work better, for me guys, then the straights. The problem everyone has with aiming is a first reaction that is quickly over come with minimal practice. As for off of a bag, I can get lower, higher, or anywhere with a 45 by twisting the eyepiece to suit the situation. There did I really confuse the issue? Didn't mean to, Jack, you're buying the scope and you need to play with the two and find what works best in a shooting situation.

Rick <>
Fayetteville, NC USA - Wednesday, November 04, 1998 at 00:34:11 (EST) 

Scott - I was bouncing your chain! Some guys like the straight and soem like the 45. I like the 45 because of the flexibility it gives me. I think the problem is that it does not initially point naturally for people and they don't like it. The usual first point place is in a store and when they look down they get disoriented. They then curse and never buy the thing. Or they use a buddies and lose the traget and again it doesn't point naturally so they get discouraged. With a couple of minutes of practice, the dis orientation goes away and each use becomes easier and natural. As you stated, that Kowa won't break. Go have fun and try out all the oddball positions you can get into with it that the straight would have you crying in pain over.

Rick <>
Fayetteville, NC USA - Thursday, November 05, 1998 at 23:43:22 (EST) 

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