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Mildots VS Laser rangefinders - one or both?:

On laser range finders. I posted some info on here a couple of months ago re: the Leica Vector which is supposed to be "the" range finder. Guys, with the technology right now even the Leica has problems in wierd/bright light conditions and in grassy areas. In Wyoming at the D&L shoot I almost broke my Leica into little pieces as it wouldn't range past 600 meters in these conditions on small targets. THe terrain was covered with sage brush and wouldn't reflect.

So what did I do? Mildots and the Mildot master baby! Bad to the bone! Da da daa da da!

gooch <>
USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 20:48:52 (EST) 

Gooch I know what you say about MilDots but in LE work it is easier to say in court " I confirmed the range with my Bushnell mdl 400 Range Finder " than to say I estimated the size of the target at 4.2 Mils and I believed the target to be six feet high. The second opens up all kinds of follow-up questions for the sniper to answer. The first places all the liability on Bushnell. A no brainer for me. For LE work my first choice is the laser. I have a Mildot scope in case the laser quits when I needed it and for leads. Just like I prefer a solid rest but train with a sling also.
Calif USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 21:46:32 (EST) 
Mike - By all means the laser should be your first distance determining device. In your environment, never more than 5 minutes from the nearest McDonalds as the FBI HRT guys I knew used to say, the likelihood of running out of batteries is small. In the military environment, there is a faction of which I am a member, that distrusts anything that uses batteries. Batteries must be obtained and carried in situations where we may be lucky to get food and water. Also batteries have a tendency to quit just when you need them.

When lasers are available they should be used unless the enemy has detection devices and then mildots become a back up. In my situation in Wyoming where I was running over 2 miles during a course, I was getting very pissed at that 3,000 dollar paper weight that I had to carry through the course after it stopped working. Like I said previously, the light, terrain and tgt conditions prevented the laser from functioning properly.

In your duties as a police officer there should almost always be something in your target area that is of a known size that you could use to determine range with using mil dots. You should also have large scale street maps at your disposal that you could make range cards with.

Use the laser, but always have a back up.
gooch <>
USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 22:51:29 (EST) 

Gooch speaks volume's when he said have a back up!! I also carried a borrowed Lica range finder and after lugging it a mile or two out there in wyoming where it was 103 in the shade and having it not work I was not a happy camper!! I thought I could judge range fairly well until I got out there, with no points of reference and in all types of terrain I was lost. I discovered what some of you already know, "When you get out of your own back yard it's a whole different world" I was never a fan of the Mil-Dot's until I discovered the hard way that what Gooch said was exactly true, and then when I met Bruce over a "cold one" and he showed me his Mil-Dot Master and convinced me that even and old dog could learn it I was sold. Now when I go back next year I'll have the Lica (Hopefuly) and my back up mi-dots with Bruce's Mil-Dot Master in my pocket. See Gooch you can teach and "OLD DOG" new tricks.
Pat <>
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 11:40:17 (EST) 

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