Sniper Country Duty Roster collective wisdom
Calibres - Choice between 6mm ( .244 ), .257 and 6.5mm ( .264 ) etc
I would like info on loads for the 6.5 swedish mauser.
we want to use 140 grain bullets. any loading data will be appreciated.
lancaster, s.c. USA - Sunday, November 01, 1998 at 19:09:36 (EST)
Butch, the latest American Rifleman has a article by Edwin Matunas
on the 6.5 x 55 Swedish. He gives some example loads and a bit of discussion
for intellectual consumption.
A friend of mine has his 6.5 rechambered to 6.5-284. Original barrel
and action. A humdinger of a long range flat shooter. Except cases are
hard to find.
Terry Warner <email@example.com>
Canada - Sunday, November 01, 1998 at 23:57:51 (EST)
I would Like to get some opinions as to the pro's and cons of 3
differant bore sizes, namely 6mm (.244) .257 and 6.5 (.264) I ask only
because I have a "spare" action and wish to build a "light" rifle with
which to practice my long range mirage reading and general skills. I was
thinking something flat shooting "interesting" to handload for and generaly
less anti social than my .300 Win. E-mail me please if you have recomendations
or can give me a bit more info on the remington .260 or the 6.5-284 wildcat
Thank you for a great site
Alaska USA - Monday, November 09, 1998 at 05:08:58 (EST)
No way to email you so I'll post a response..
Re: 260 rem. I recently had a 260 rem (6.5-08)built from a R700 SA.
I am very pleased with it so far. It's extremely accurate, and basically
a recoilless pleasure to shoot. TorF, a frequent Roster contributor, started
the ball rolling w/ some load suggestions and an assessment of the performance
of the cartridge. The gist of his input to me was that it is a much better
performer than you might expect. Also, Hook Boutin, who is a very talented
and knowledgable rifle builder and shooter had many good things to say
about the cartridge.
They were both right on with their views. It is an accurate, pleasant
shooting, and excellent performer ballistically. I would suggest an eight
twist barrel 26 inches finished to get good results from the 140gr class
bullets. There are several powder/bullet combos that have given me great
results. I don't have time to elaborate on specifics re: powders, bullets,
reloading ilk etc. (on lunch break at work), but I'll be happy to launch
into a truly verbose pontificatory (that a word?) tyrade about all of this
if your interested. I beleive you would be quite pleased w/ a bolt gun
chambered for 260 rem.
As for 6mm, well, I'm about to learn about that myself. I'm going
to try on a 6mmBR and see how it does. Spent 6 hrs. sanding and finishing
a Richard's Microfit stock yesterday (under the watchful eye of Mr. Boutin).
The stock is very nice but it was very unfinished when I got it. As a result,
an educational taste of sanding and finishing was in store for me. And
class ain't over yet. Actually, I enjoyed it !! Have not fired the rifle
yet. We'll see. Will test with molyed Berger 105 VLDs and 31.0 gr. RL-15.
Also, will test w/ Varget. I plan to try 95 gr VLDs from Berger and Starke.
Also, some 105gr Amax. Barrel is Accumax II on a R700 SA.
Jeff A. <firstname.lastname@example.org>
browsing the "sale" items at Exocet Missles R Us in Smyrna, Ga USA
- Monday, November 09, 1998 at 13:56:49 (EST)
Hey, glad you're back. Did we email at some point about 6mmBR. You
shoot that one? Let know about because I just started loading some 105vlds
on 31.0gr RL-15, just touching lans. I got some Norma brass and will commence
testing of sorts with a Accumax II, 8 twist barreled M700 SA bedded in
a Richard's Microfit laminant stock. Spent 6 hrs last Sun. sanding that
stock. Anyway, let me know if you are a 6BR user.... listen to me,..user...
I mean shooter. Desparately need a break from this computer stuff. Speaking
Jeff A. <email@example.com>
having flatulance at work in Atlanta, Ga USA - Friday, November 13,
1998 at 14:17:39 (EST)
Yes I have a 6BR and its a shooter. However mine is in a 1-12 twist.
I shoot only the 65 to 71gr bullets and it doesn't make any difference
what bullet or powder you use it just shoots!! It will consistantly shoot
.5 at 200yds and as good as .1 to .3s all the time at 100yds. I have read
good things about the 1-8 twists for 1000yd shooting but I couldn't believe
they were getting 3000fps out it with a 105VLD. As I recall they were using
BLC-2 to get that speed. The 6BR is inherently accurate and not picky with
either powder or bullet's. I was easly getting 3400fps with my 68 &
USA - Friday, November 13, 1998 at 16:43:46 (EST)
Anybody have experience with a 6.5-06'?
WA USA - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 15:19:41 (EST)
My gunsmith try's talking me into building one everytime I call
him up with a new gun project. He claim's it's one of the best flat shooting
long range rifle's going, short of a big magnum. I've read several article's
on them as hunting round's and there superb. If you would like more info
on them I'am sure he would be glad to fill you in . His name is Darrell
Holland and he's one of the best in the business. E.mail me and I'll get
his phone number if your interested.
USA - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 17:04:50 (EST)
Also 6.5-06 um! The only thing wrong with the .264 win mag was that
it was too much of a good thing. That should be about the right amount.
Pat's 260 Remington will be another fine attempt to produce the perfect
rifle and we shall see.
USA - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 18:41:59 (EST)
Your right on the 264wm being to big for the 6.5 bullet and it is
a barrel burner!! When I was doing my research on the 6.5(Trying to prove
TorF wrong) I ran across an article on the develepoment of the 6.5 in this
country. The just of the article was that we tried to make to much of a
hot rod out of it by putting it into the magnum case's so it would out
perform the 270. Then Remington came out with the 6.5 Remington Mag. and
intorduced it with a short barrel!!, which of cource killed it, and then
Jack O'Conner said it wasn't any better than his 270 and that really killed
it. The interesting thing to come out of this was that the ideal case capacity
for this round is actually a 257 Roberts Ackley Imp. case. They said that
with this case capacity you would achieve the ultimate effeciency for this
caliber and anything more would be a waste of powder and barrel life. Plus
this round out performed the 270 hands down. Just food for thought.
USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 11:25:49 (EST)
My 260Rem sporter arrived in the mail this mornig, so now my Thanksgiving
will be spent at the range breaking in the barrel and hopefully some load
testing before bedding it. What I plan to do is to compare this sporter
to the heavy barrel and see how close they will shoot to one another with
one being a hunting rifle and one being a full bore tactical rifle with
a heavy after market barrel and action squared and lapped. I will check
for accuracy and for the cold bore shots and keep you informed. HAPPY THANKSGIVING
TO ALL MY GOOD FRIEND'S HERE ON SNIPER COUNTRY, MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 13:56:05 (EST)
Pat, have fun with the new rifle. Everything I have found on the
6.5-06' has it pushing the same bullet 50-100 fps faster than the .264
win with less powder. It seems that every bore diameter has a "sweet spot"
when it comes to case capacity and the 06'/.257 Ackley is just about it
in 6.5mm. The 6.5X68 Schuler is a really nice looking cartridge, kind of
a euro style .264 win but brass is very expensive in the States. Ever get
the itch to build something but can't decide exactly what?
WA USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 17:37:42 (EST)
Pat: I may be as excited as you are(probably not)about your getting
the .260.I think the .308 case will prove to be the ultimate for it. The
.257 roberts is just a pussy cat because of the factory ammo and the old
rifles that it might chamber in. It would probably be ok for the .260 but
the .308 case is more exciting to most of us. The 30-06 case is a real
nice idea too.Seem like that is current with the thinking of getting away
from the Magnum belt. fun is fun!
Happy Turkey day to you and Your Mrs.
B. Rogers <firstname.lastname@example.org>
USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 18:09:53 (EST)
Ref 257 Roberts: Ihave yet to find a 257 Roberts that can shoot
MOA on any consistent basis. I even hate to mention the 257 Roberts in
the same breath as a 25.06.
Al Ostapowicz <email@example.com>
I Can See Clearly Now, the Rain is Gone in Blustery, Ohio USA - Wednesday,
November 25, 1998 at 23:08:28 (EST)
If my post sounds like I'm endorsing the .257 Roberts round scratch
it from your memory. My experience is the same as Al's. Worst shooting
rifle I ever had was a Ruger 77 in .257.
USA - Thursday, November 26, 1998 at 01:03:43 (EST)
Jeff & Bill R.,
Well I got a chance to spend some time at the range on turkey day.
First the rifle has an excllent bore smooth as an aftermarket barrel
and came from the factory with a 3lb trigger (Yes 3lbs). I did my usual
cleaning and breakin and then began load testing. I tried 140 & 120
match and 95gr V-Max's. The gun will shoot all of these under 1 inch with
3 shot group's under .5 in some case's. I conentrated on the 95 V-Max because
I want to use it on coyote's. It will shoot the 95s into .8 & .9s for
5 shot group's with 4 in the .5 range. The velocity for the 95s stayed
at exactly 3200fps for three different powder's I couldn't believe it,
I thought the cronograph was stuck!! then the load with W-760 went to 3245
for an average and shot the best too. The 140s shot the best and was triping
the light's at 2780fps with RL-22, not bad for a factory 24" barrel. I
had all my loads at the MAX recomended load because this will be a hunting
rifle. Sighted in at 100yds at 1.5" high (with the 95s) it's dead on at
200yds and 5" low at 300yds. I hope to get out today and do some long range
testing. I will stay with the 95s for now because I want to get tuned up
for coyote's. The .257Robert's "SUCKS" But the Ackley Improved makes it
a 25-06 in a short action and it's very accurate.
USA - Friday, November 27, 1998 at 11:27:32 (EST)
Bill R. & Jeff A,
Tried the 260 on long range, but I bedded it first( I just couldn't
wait) The first 3 shot group at 100yds measured .251 and the next 3 at
200yds. went .595 the next 3 at 300 went into2.005 at 400 the group measured
2.840 needless to say I was happy with my new coyote load in a light weight
rifle!!!. The cold bore shot is in exactly the same spot as the next two.
I just can't wait to get the heavy barrel ,if this is any indication of
the accuracy potential I will have to put TorF in my will(HA).
USA - Sunday, November 29, 1998 at 18:37:41 (EST)
I've gotten several request on the 260 Rem. project and rather than
send a bunch of different e.mails I will give a quick review for all since
I'am basically done and it's time for it to start earning it's place in
the gun rack. Out of 136rds. fired for load testing it shot 123rds. into
one inch or under. I used 6 different powders and 4 different bullets of
which were 3 different brands. The best 5shot group was .630 the worst
5shot group was 1.563 the best 3shot group was .251 and the worst was 1.233
The overall average for the 5shot group's is .822 This caliber seems to
be like it's big brother the 308 not picky with about anything you shoot
in it. It' a very plesant caliber to shoot and shoot's bullet weight's
from 85 to 140 with some heavier specialty bullet's for tha 1-8 twists.
I think this will be one hell of a fine tactical round if they ever load
factory match ammo for it. It's a very accurate round and has fantasic
ballistic's and I cant wait to get the heavy barrel from my smith!! One
last note the gun was bedded and all loads were max loads with no thought
of down loading because I was looking for a fast and accurate hunting round
and no doubt the accuracy would be even better if I played around with
the powder chg.
USA - Friday, December 11, 1998 at 17:52:40 (EST)
I think I have missed something. I have seen a lot of comment about
the "new" .260 rem, but I have seen no details, nor can I find any in any
of the current loading manuals that I have or even the local gun shops.
From what I can gather it is no more than a "legitimized" 6.5 x.308 If
this is correct what can it offer that has not been done in the last hundred
years by oh for instance the 6.5x54 ms the 6.5x 55 swede the 6.5 x57 mauser
and the 6.5-06 ( and 6.5 -06 improved for that matter) ? is there something
magical about this cartridge that I am missing ? At least fill me in on
the details such as overall length and shoulder angles I dont mean to sound
sceptical because I am merely curious because I can find so little information
on this round.
Alaska USA - Thursday, December 17, 1998 at 17:25:44 (EST)
Grey, 6.5 bullets are good because they have very high sectional
density at 140-160 grn. and relatively high ballistic coeficients for the
bore size. the .260 rem fits in a short action unlike the other rounds
you listed. I still prefer the 6.5-06' but the .260 and the 6.5/.284 are
very accurate rounds that fit the .308 length action and mag, I shure would
like an AR-10 in 6.5/.284...
WA USA - Thursday, December 17, 1998 at 22:42:53 (EST)
I have a 260 REM (Thanks to TorF) and they are really a nice round.
all it is is the 308 necked down to the 6.5 or a 243 necked up to
the 6.5. I believe it may even be the same shoulder angle. I just resize
my 243 brass to the 6.5 and shoot it. It's like the 7mm-08 also. You can't
hardly push a 100gr bullet much over 3000fps in a 243 yet I can push a
120 that fast in the 260 and a 95gr to over 3250, go figure. The round
is unbelievably accurate, it's no hot rod but like its big brother the
308 it shoot's everything and damn good too!! I personally feel it will
make a super tactical round because of the ballistics and it will be a
great all around hunting round for anything smaller than elk.The 6.5-06
is allready a great flat shooting long range hunting round but doesn't
have the accuracy of the 260. I got my reloading info from Jeff A. he was
good enough to fax it to me, I believe he got it from Sierra.
USA - Friday, December 18, 1998 at 10:51:18 (EST)
Have you tried any of the Vita Viory 500 series in the 6.5 and if
so which one is the best and what kind of velocity can I expect out of
the 260 with the 140gr bullets?? The way this sporter is shooting I cant
wait to get my heavy barrel. I went with a Pac Nor, 3 Lands an Groves,
Super match barrel with a 1 in 8 Twist. The sporter is a I in 9 twist and
shoots everything under.75 MOA out to 400yds. The worst group it shot at
400yds were the 95gr and it still measured 2.8 inchs. I have to give it
to you, you were right on the 6.5s I would have never believed it, and
then when Jeff got his and the groups he shot I knew I had to have one!!!!
So thanks from a FAN and have a Merry Christmas!!
USA - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 11:51:39 (EST)
Just read your question to TorF about 500 series powders for 6.5/08.
For 140gr bullets, I tried N560 cause I had a little on hand. Started at
43.0 gr. and increased in 1/2 gr increments up to 45 gr. All shot 1/2 MOA
out to 300 yds. easily. I did this during initial testing, but didn't do
more because I was getting even better results w/ N160, and Varget. No
pressure signs at 45gr w/ the N560. I used 140 and 142 gr Sierras that
were molyed. If you haven't, try 44.0gr N160 w/ the 142 gr Sierra. Have
you done any testing with N140 on the 6.5/08? I've not but did load some
w/ 39.0 gr to see what happens.
Assuming the rifle doesn't blow up in my face (HA), I let you know.
Also, just got a few Hornady 140 AMAX molyed for 6.5 tests, and
some Hornady 178gr molyed for testing in 308. New job is kicking my ass
and haven't had a chance to shoot in approx 3-4 weeks. Busy, Busy.
Jeff A. <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Atlanta, Ga USA - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 19:35:25 (EST)
To Pat, re. 260Rem:
I have no experience with VV 5-series powder in 6.5mm. I use N160
for lopressurerounds with 140gr bullets at 2600fps. RL22/MRP/RP15 take
care of higher speeds. If you want some really recoilless fun try Sierra's
107gr MK behind N140 or N150. Go for 3000fps. You'll be amazed.
When Norway adopted the Krag rifle at the turn of the century a sniperverson
with a telescopic sight was tested. The scope was sidemounted due to top
ejection. Elevation of the scope was done in the mount with comeups to
2400m on a very clear scale with a dial(?, my english...)! The testteam
had no problems whatsoever hitting targets from 800-1000m! This was considered
unsportsmanlike and the project was cancelled!!
The 6.5X55 is developed in Norway, then in union with Sweden. One
of the main reasons the 6.5 was chosen instead of other calibers was its
perforance at very long ranges in something called "destoyeing fire" (raserende
ild). This was measured from the height of the average soldier converted
to bulletdrop and measuring the targetrange the bullet covered at range.
Difficult? I don't remember the numbers but the principle goes like this:
At 1200m a 8mm round strafes 150m with 1 soldier/180cm bulletdrop. The
6.5 coveres 200m. The numbers are not correct but it was in this test the
6.5 outperformed all other rounds from 6mm to 8mm including the 7X57.
Oslo, Norway - Tuesday, December 22, 1998 at 08:14:38 (EST)
What about N140 for 6.5/08. Too fast? I printed a burn rate chart
from Hogdon's web site. It lists N140 as a little slower than Varget, and
I've had good results w/ Varget and the molyed 140 class bullets. Avg.
vel. w/ 38.0 gr of Varget is 2646; ES= 20, Std Dev.=6. Loaded a few w/
39.0 gr N140 varying seating depth only to see what happens. Haven't had
a chance to test w/ N140 yet. You mentioned trying Sierra 107s. Have you
ever tried Sierra 120gr in 6.5? I've tried neither at this point. The 140
class is just too beautiful. Felt recoil is almost nill even w/ the 140s.
Recently had the 6.5 barrelled action bedded into a McMillan A-2 and replaced
the scope mounting base w/ a steel one-piece tapered base. Rifle's kinda
heavy at this point. I don't care. It's a dream to shoot.
Jeff A. <email@example.com>
Atlanta, Ga USA - Tuesday, December 22, 1998 at 20:32:04 (EST)
To Jeff A, N140 in 6.5mm.
I have these max loads for N140 in 6.5X55:
120gr bullet, 41gr=2800fps.
140gr bullet, 38gr=2550fps.
And these MAX loads for a custom 6.5-08 with 26" Shilen SS barrel
(not my gun):
100gr Sierra HP, 46gr N150=3300fps.
155gr Sierra MK, 48gr Norma MRP(RL22)=2700fps...
Oslo, Norway - Tuesday, December 22, 1998 at 22:08:18 (EST)
Well, N140 justs doesn't quite cut it in 260 with 140gr. Accuracy
is good, but not as good as Varget and N160. Plus I think I started seeing
some pressure signs at 39.0 gr. Looked like some primer flattening and
some cratering. Hey, if got wome data ,please let me know.
Jeff A. <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Smyrna, Ga USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 11:30:22 (EST)
Shot the "Fat Barrel" 260 last night after initial break in. I tried
Varget with 140s and 142s not to impressed yet, shot them both into .6s
I tried one load of WMR and had 4 in .3 with a flyer so I'll try this load
again. It seems to want to shoot but I haven't found the right combo yet
but it's still early and I may need to start load testing at 200 or 300
yards. I have read where the long VLD type bullets won't always shoot real
well at 100yds but will shoot better at the longer ranges, have you found
this to be true?? What about it TorF any ideas??
USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 17:22:34 (ZULU)
Varget has performed the best for me in 260 with molyed Berger 140vld
seated to just touch or approx 0.010" into lans. It did okay in 142 MK
and did very well with 140 mk, but seating depth( 0.010" off lans) was
significant for accuracy with the 140gr MKs. The 142 MKs seem to like N160
at 44.0 gr seated 0.010" off lans. So far I've settled on 38 or 39 gr Varget
for the 140 vld and 44.0 N160 for 142 MK. The 140 does well w/ 38.0 gr
Varget or 37.0 gr N135. I'm still not really satisfied w/ a load for the
Also, I have demonstrated it a number of times, as well as read it
in a place or two, re: VLDs need at least 200 yd. to, I believe the phrase
is "go to sleep", so I don't think 100yd is an accurate barometer to load
test when working w/ Berger vld bullets. I'm pretty well convinced that
200yds (300 would be better) does allow the Bergers to show their stuff.
You mentioned you have worked w/ non-molyed bullets. Really, all
of the testing I've done has been w/ molyed bullets.
Jeff A. <email@example.com>
Smyrna, Ga, USA - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 05:50:26 (ZULU)
I lost the info you had told Jeff about on the 140 and 142 MK. I
need to know how fast I will have to push them to keep the same ballistics
cam as the 300WM on my M3LR. I know I can just use the MOAs, Scott, but
since I am tailoring a load for the rifle, hey, why not(HA). Have you tried
any of the faster burning powders with the heavier bullets??
USA - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 20:32:00 (ZULU)
I saw your post to TorF. Just a minute ago I emailed you a post that
he made last July re: M3 cams and 6.5mm bulletts. I saved it as Word97.doc
back then; and copy/pasted in the email window and sent it to you. The
formatting may be shot but the text ought to be intact. Hope this is what
you were asking about.
Jeff A. <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Smyrna, Ga, USA - Saturday, January 23, 1999 at 18:13:09 (ZULU)
Try varget 38 or 39 gr w/ berger 140 vld just touching or 0.005
to 0.010" into lans on the "fatboy"
Jeff A. <email@example.com>
Smyrna, Ga, USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 00:10:59 (ZULU)
I will order some Berger VLDs, but can you load them mag. length
and still touch the rifeling?? This is going to be a tactical rifle so
I need to be able to feed from the magazine. N 140 is pushing the 140s
well over 2700fps and as I recall I think around 2780fps. I am trying to
find a load that is both fast and accurate. Have you tried Hornadys new
A-Max the BC is .630!! But I am sure you would have to load them as a single
round and not out of the magazine.
USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 14:23:30 (ZULU)
Good point about the oal to fit the mag. The Berger vld, while very
accurate, is too long to load in the mag. I'm speaking of a Rem 700 SA
magazine. Also, the Sierra 142 MK is also too long for the mag. when seated
0.010" off lans. To me these are drawbacks. Same deal with Bergers 175
and 185 vld for 308.
So far, the Sierra 140 MK is the only one that I can get an OAL and
the seating depth I want that will fit the magazine. Best load so far for
the 140 MK is 37 gr N135. Probably as tad fast on burn rate but no pressure
and good accuracy.
Jeff A. <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Smyrna, Ga, USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 22:28:14 (ZULU)
Jeff, is your 260 built on one of your model 70 classic short actions?
if so they have a spacer at the back of the mag box, just pop the spot
welds loose and then weld/solder the seam at the rear of the box. This
will give you about .250 more length with no other mods. (if it's a remmy
I think you are SOL)
WA, USA - Saturday, February 06, 1999 at 00:27:52 (ZULU)
My 260 is a Rem SA, so I'm SOL as far as mag. lenght.
A few months ago ( when I had some money), I bought a M70 classic
featherweight in 280 Rem. It was used but the price was good. I got it
for the action,solely. I'm waiting to get money (ain't we all), and at
some point will use the M70 action for maybe a 6.5mm/06 (you see this Al
O. ?) or a 3006 Ack Imp. I don't know. It's just gathering dust now , maybe
sometime in the future.
I haven't tried Hornady 140gr Amax in 260 yet. I have one box that
I got molyed... long-ass bullets.
Jeff A. <email@example.com>
Smyrna, Ga, USA - Sunday, February 07, 1999 at 14:30:37 (ZULU)
Thanks for the come back on the 260. I got out this weekend and
did some more load testing and will send you some crono info on different
powders I tried. I had sort of gave up on Varget and the 142s because of
the length but I tried some 142s with 37grs of Varget loaded mag length
and they shot 10 shots into 2.2 at 400yds and a 5 shot at 1.6 so I think
I will try them again. The Pac Nor barrel is fnatastic, smooth as any I
have ever had and broke in in 25rds!! I shoot 25 to 30 rounds and have
about 2 patchs with any blue then nothing!! (I am not shooting off a bench
at 400, using the ground and a bipod as I would for tactical shooting).
USA - Monday, February 08, 1999 at 14:35:39 (ZULU)
5) I have an old browning A-bolt 30-06 that I want to rebuild. I
am considering a Hvy Hart match barrel in 6.5-06, fluted, cut to 20" and
finished with a matte roguard finish. Action refined, trigger set to 3lb
or replaced, and a bead blasted/plated matte finish on all hardware. A
McMillian McHale bedded adjustible stock. I will be mounting either an
MK4 M1 or a US Optics 10x on it. I am looking to create a light weight
tactical style rifle in 10lb range for mid range 5-700 yd shooting. Rifle
will be used for range work and sheep hunting. Anyone have any thougths
about the 6.5-06 and the barrel length? I currently own a lot of custom
7mm and 30 cal rifles. Thats why the 6.5-06. I also like the short throw
bolt and mag feed of the browning action. Any comments would be welcomed.
Iselin, NJ, USA - Saturday, February 13, 1999 at 14:39:06 (ZULU)
You don't want to use a 20" barrel on a 6.5 -06 it will be burning
most of the powder on the outside of the barrel. You would be better off
with a 260 or if you want to wild cat try a 6mm-6.5 that would be close
to the ideal case size for the 6.5 bullet. I personally feel to get the
advantage of the high BC of the 6.5 bullet you need to have the longer
barrel and push it out to around 2700fps. Just my opinion.
USA - Sunday, February 14, 1999 at 01:04:56 (ZULU)
Are you still out there?? If so How fast can you guys push a 140
out of the 6.5s that you shoot?? and have you ever played with the 6.5-06???
I have a friend who is looking to build one that will push a 140 A-Max
USA - Wednesday, February 24, 1999 at 14:22:13 (ZULU)
To Pat, re. 6.5-06.
I'm still out here. Working A LOT with the Y2K problem. Going to
do a clocktest this easter.
I've seen a couple of 6.5-06 projects. They were not successful because
they used european barrels. Couldn't break 3000fps with 140gr bullets.
The 6.5-06 should be able to do it with tighter US-barrels. I've seen .264WM/3100fps
and .264-3000/3300fps. Barrellife is less than 1500 rounds. I prefer .260/6.5X55/6.5-284
at 2700-2900fps. Very effective and with a round barrellife. 140gr molycoated
bullets at 2600fps gives you 8-10000 round barrellife in SS-barrels.
The ultra high velocity 6.5mm rounds seem to work better with leighter
bullets. I'd try bullets in the 120gr range. Nosler 125gr for hunting.
The germans use 100-120gr for the 6.5-68.
Oslo, Norway - Wednesday, February 24, 1999 at 22:10:49 (ZULU)
I'll work on that 6,5 140 grain 3000 fps problem you got there,
shouldnt take long. Sierra says they are getting 2950 fps out of their
Winchester gun, ours are just a bit quicker on the go due to tighter bores.
rapid city, sd, USA - Thursday, February 25, 1999 at 05:23:38 (ZULU)
on the 6,5 ,going by Sierra, they use a 1/8" twist barrel, I think
you could go with a 1/9-9.5" twist, then your 100-120 gr bullets would
also stabilize, which you should be shooting anyway
rapid city, sd, USA - Thursday, February 25, 1999 at 05:35:22 (ZULU)
The guy with the 6.5 problem wants to push the 140 A-MAX to around
3000fps for long range shooting out to 1000yds but doesn't want a "Barrel
burner". I know the 6mm-06 and the 6mm-284s are barrel burners but there
pushing light bullets and maybe using more powder. I've been looking at
maybe a 257 case or even a 6mm case this may be enough to get right around
the 3000fps mark. I have a 260 with a 1x8 twist and it will push the 142s
to 2800 with no pressure signs. He wants to use the rifle for tactical
shooting and thats why he doesn't want a barrel burner because a lot of
rounds will go down range and some in quick sucession. I should be out
to Rapid on the afternoon of the 2nd at around 3:30 your time or I can
meet with you the next day after lunch let me know what will work for you.
Good to hear from you again!!! Thanks for the info I'll pass it
on. If you read my post to JR you will see I was trying to come up with
a compromise, something inbetween the 260 and the 06 case. My 260 is shooting
half minute MOA out to 500yds so far, so I will put you in my will after
USA - Thursday, February 25, 1999 at 14:31:15 (ZULU)
There seems to be a certain amount of interest in the various 6.5mm
cartridges of late. Here is a web site that gives some reloading data on
several 6.5 cartridges:
At this site there is also some info on crimping vs not crimping
and some test results on fire-lapping for different rifles.
S.C.D.H., Ohio, USA - Saturday, February 27, 1999 at 16:07:01 (ZULU)
If you get a chance would you e.mail me and let me know what kind
of velocity I could expect to get out of a 6.5x55 with the 140s . I want
to know if 2900 to 2950 with todays powder and barreevels would be realistic
and safe . I am thinking about a Remington long action and a 1 in 8 twist
with the 140 A-Max with the .630 BC . We looked at the .257 Roberts case
but it is so close to the 6.5x55 it wouldnt pay to mess with trying to
find dies. I could go improved but then the problem of forming 3 to 400
cases doesn't appeal to me. I also thought about the 6.5x284 rather than
the 6.5x06.The guy wants to use the rifle for tactical shooting.
USA - Sunday, February 28, 1999 at 18:25:52 (ZULU)
Hey everyone! I've been reading here for a while but haven't made
any noise yet...so here I go.
I'm about to set up my first "sniper" rig. I've been playing with
deer guns and AK's for a long time now, but now I want to play a little
I need some help guys...and as far as a rifle, I'm leaning towards
a Rem. 700 VLS in 6mm or 308. I'd rather have the .308 but I know that
6mm is a lot flatter-shooting cartridge so I'm torn there as well. I just
want to be able to shoot all ranges up to 1000 yards and hit whatever I
Thanks for the help in advance!
Little Rock, AR, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 00:15:57 (ZULU)
(your host address: 220.127.116.11)
JT Wrote. "I just want to be able to shoot all ranges up to 1000
yards and hit whatever I want to."
Damn dude. You aint asking for much are you?
Stick with .308 unless you are an avid handloader.
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 04:26:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
JT; Repeat after me L-E-U-P-O-L-D FourX14 Tactical. ON .308 MODEL
700 Remington. PSS OR VS/VSS/VSSF . wid da 40MM tubeeeee! Now we are at
1000 yards and we hit "just about" everything we shoot at. 6mm will not
cut it at that distance unless you put it in a wildcat case and burn yo
barrel hot. USE the Mil dot model unless there is a compelling reason not
too. Now Lito, you hold the gun on me so I can recite the TASCO recommendatation
to this guy!
Bill Rogers <firstname.lastname@example.org>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 12:47:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
Listen to "Yote Bait" even though he's a died in the wool varmint
hunter and a 6MM is a great varmint round its not a good 1000yd round unless
you have a custom rifle built with the fast twist to shoot the 107grVLD
bullets. The 308 is hard to beat. I am playing with the 6.5s but both my
260s are showing signs of being hard on barrels. If you want to do tactical
shooting your barrels will get hot and heat kills the small bores twice
as fast. The 308 is much more forgiving when you have to abuse it. Just
my 2cents worth.
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 16:17:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
Yep, listen to the Bullet man on the 6mm. I'd have to agree you
got to do the voo-doo to get the 6mm to 1000 or so but,, Mini Yars ago
I had an old .244 (6mm for those in Rio Linda) Remington with a big long
Unertl that I used to bruise ego's on a Military range bout 500 was all
I think. But it was the scope that made em cringe (they didn't have any).
the Bullets were only 85 grain. Bullet man is right, the standard 6mm loading
won't get there and do the job. He's so right about the barrels too (thars
worse than 6mms on barrels though).
Bill Rogers <email@example.com>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 01:30:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
Thanks lots for all the advice. It appears I do need to go with a
fixed power scope, although there were some negative comments about the
Tasco scopes (and some really good ones too).
I think I have actually decided to go with the Savage 12 series with
the stainless fluted barrel and laminated stock just to be different. Everyone
that shoots at my range is toting a Remington 700 (I know that there's
a reason for that). Anyway our 600 yard range won't be complete for a few
more monts and my NEW WIFE has told me I can't buy another gun/scope until
I buy us new living room furniture. So anyway
it looks like it will be another month before I get this thing purchased.
Until then I'll just keep plowing down the 6" plates @300 yards with
my little 16" barreled AK-47 with a 1x magnification Kobra holo sight.
1 shot...1 plate.
I'll let you know as soon as I start smacking new toys on my credit
Little Rock, AR, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 04:34:35 (ZULU) (your
host address: 18.104.22.168)
6MM and long range
The post about the 6MM not being a long range round is incorrect.
I have a 6MM IMP with 8" twist and it pushes a 107 BTHP at 3200
fps. Wind drift for a 10 mph wind at 1000 is 69". THe 308 168 at the same
range is 115". The trajectory is also quite a bit flatter. For the wind
velocity challenged such as myself,it cuts my guessing in half!
Yes it is a custom barrel and chamber.But so are most barrels on
a custom tactical rifle. THere are drawbacks (no commercial ammo). As for
barrel life. My rifle has somewhere around 1000 rds down the pipe and it
still shoots better than I can.
Just my opinion.
Bill Byford <firstname.lastname@example.org>
IL, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 05:50:29 (ZULU) (your host address:
Bill Byford; I think someone mentioned that bullet as a long range
thing (read back a few posts) and although most conventional rifles would
have a little trouble getting bullet to 3200 I'm willing to buy that wildcat
loadings (which I mentioned) will get you there as well as custom guns
(Mr. Rice will give you a 6mm ride if you want one). Most people are talking
conventional .243 Winchester rifles and that's what I responded too. There
are those here who have taken .223 to the limits of physics and done some
astounding things and although you can be praised for mentioning it, my
post about he 6mm was in the conventional no aftermarket barrels or twists
sense. There is always someone in the shooting game whether it's rifle
or pistol or whatever that will push the limit of the science and amaze
and astound. I pretty much live in the real world around here but you're
all free to play as you wish, that makes the world go around.... I mainly
shoot .308 and .223 12ga and .45 (cept for my .41m business gun) cause
I have an Uncle who make the brass and makes it cheap for me once he shoots
it. MY Uncle is just like me, he lives and trains his troops for the real
world. In Mr. Rogers' neighorhood of today here and now, Coyotes are scoungy
critters that don't care what they get shot with.... and up yours Wylie
Coyote, just watch yore mangy ass come October!
Bill Rogers <email@example.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 13:26:27 (ZULU) (your host address:
I didn't intend to ruffle any feathers. I saw your post and thought
I'd mention my take on it.
As for the other calibers you mentioned, I to own and play with
each and think they are all OUTSTANDING!
I'm sure Mr. Rice builds very fine rifles as I have read the post
on this site. All of my rifles are built by Bill Wylde. He has built 3
for me (and hopefully a 4th 6.5x284 in the future) and they are all outstanding
Like I said. No p***ing contest. I read your post and usually agree
with your opinions and humor.
Respectfully Bill B.
Bill Byford <firstname.lastname@example.org>
IL, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 15:33:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
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